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		<title>By: korowinadi</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-3/#comment-112746</link>
		<dc:creator>korowinadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metrocartaclienta.ru/25-3.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; МЕТРО КЕШ ЕНД КЕРИ 26 МОСКВА ,ОФОРМЛЕНИЕ КАРТОЧКИ ООО МЕТРО КЕШ ЭНД КЕРРИ МОСКВА ,аккумуляторные инструменты ! &lt;/a&gt; 
Официально по юридическому договору оформим на физических лиц и сотрудников организаций карточки metro в сеть супермаркетов МETRO Cash &amp; Cаrry:карточка метро  обязательно с вашей фотографией(делается в самом магазине в вашем присутствии),с индификационным номером,кодом,магнитной полосой, названием предприятия, от которой вы будете нами оформлены. Вы можете проводить с собой двух человек. Карты metro  оформляются: на граждан России и иностранных граждан.Оформление производится без предоплаты, то есть вначале мы регистрируем вас,вы получаете карточки метро, потом оплачиваете. Оплата производится в течение одного рабочего дня после оформления через Сбербанк РФ ,немецкие магазины  Метро Кеш энд Керри работают круглосуточно.Срок действия карточки метро 3 года, по истечении этого срока договор перезаключается по взаимному согласию сторон.Для оказания этой услуги мы находим фирмы, у которых есть свободные места в этих гипермаркетах,и заключаем с ними соответствующие юридические договора, по которым юридические лица обязуются предоставить вам право пользоваться их местами в этих магазинах сроком на три года. Оформление и регистрация производятся в разных магазинах МETRO Cash &amp; Cаrry, по выбору юридических лиц в соответствии с их территориальным месторасположением. Получив карты клиента metro в одном из торговых центров МETRO Cash &amp; Cаrry вы можете ей пользоваться в любых других магазинах этой сети магазинов МETRO Cash and Cаrry в России и за границей.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metrocartaclienta.ru/36-5.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  ТЦ МЕТРО ПОДМОСКОВЬЕ ,ПОМОЩЬ В ПОЛУЧЕНИИ КАРТЫ МЕТРО ,полки подвесные ! &lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metrocartaclienta.ru/6.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  ОФОРМЛЕНИЕ КЛИЕНТСКИХ КАРТ В МЕТРО КЭШ ЭНД КЕРРИ ДОКУМЕНТЫ ,ПРОХОД В METRO ,Плитка мозаичная ! &lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metrocartaclienta.ru/41-2.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  КАТАЛОГ ТОВАРОВ МАГАЗИНА МЕТРО ,КУПЛЮ ПРОПУСК В МЕТРО ,Ресиверы ! &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.metrocartaclienta.ru/25-3.php" rel="nofollow"> МЕТРО КЕШ ЕНД КЕРИ 26 МОСКВА ,ОФОРМЛЕНИЕ КАРТОЧКИ ООО МЕТРО КЕШ ЭНД КЕРРИ МОСКВА ,аккумуляторные инструменты ! </a><br />
Официально по юридическому договору оформим на физических лиц и сотрудников организаций карточки metro в сеть супермаркетов МETRO Cash &amp; Cаrry:карточка метро  обязательно с вашей фотографией(делается в самом магазине в вашем присутствии),с индификационным номером,кодом,магнитной полосой, названием предприятия, от которой вы будете нами оформлены. Вы можете проводить с собой двух человек. Карты metro  оформляются: на граждан России и иностранных граждан.Оформление производится без предоплаты, то есть вначале мы регистрируем вас,вы получаете карточки метро, потом оплачиваете. Оплата производится в течение одного рабочего дня после оформления через Сбербанк РФ ,немецкие магазины  Метро Кеш энд Керри работают круглосуточно.Срок действия карточки метро 3 года, по истечении этого срока договор перезаключается по взаимному согласию сторон.Для оказания этой услуги мы находим фирмы, у которых есть свободные места в этих гипермаркетах,и заключаем с ними соответствующие юридические договора, по которым юридические лица обязуются предоставить вам право пользоваться их местами в этих магазинах сроком на три года. Оформление и регистрация производятся в разных магазинах МETRO Cash &amp; Cаrry, по выбору юридических лиц в соответствии с их территориальным месторасположением. Получив карты клиента metro в одном из торговых центров МETRO Cash &amp; Cаrry вы можете ей пользоваться в любых других магазинах этой сети магазинов МETRO Cash and Cаrry в России и за границей.<br />
<a href="http://www.metrocartaclienta.ru/36-5.php" rel="nofollow">  ТЦ МЕТРО ПОДМОСКОВЬЕ ,ПОМОЩЬ В ПОЛУЧЕНИИ КАРТЫ МЕТРО ,полки подвесные ! </a><br />
<a href="http://www.metrocartaclienta.ru/6.php" rel="nofollow">  ОФОРМЛЕНИЕ КЛИЕНТСКИХ КАРТ В МЕТРО КЭШ ЭНД КЕРРИ ДОКУМЕНТЫ ,ПРОХОД В METRO ,Плитка мозаичная ! </a><br />
<a href="http://www.metrocartaclienta.ru/41-2.php" rel="nofollow">  КАТАЛОГ ТОВАРОВ МАГАЗИНА МЕТРО ,КУПЛЮ ПРОПУСК В МЕТРО ,Ресиверы ! </a></p>
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		<title>By: RusLowthops</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-3/#comment-112329</link>
		<dc:creator>RusLowthops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all
Собираюсь сделать облицовку фасада своего коттеджа природным камнем. К сожалению ничего в этом не смыслю. Посоветуйте пожалуйста где можно получить информацию? В какую фирму лучше обратится, а то уже весь интренет перерыл и ничего путного не нашел?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all<br />
Собираюсь сделать облицовку фасада своего коттеджа природным камнем. К сожалению ничего в этом не смыслю. Посоветуйте пожалуйста где можно получить информацию? В какую фирму лучше обратится, а то уже весь интренет перерыл и ничего путного не нашел?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-2/#comment-108237</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll check this space often to see if there is any initiative against SORBS that I could participate in.  I&#039;m currently in talks with the one and only company affected by the SORBS block against my email host.  I hope to persuade them to drop this &quot;service.&quot;

Could a volunteer non-profit Email blocking service be created that blocks SORBS itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll check this space often to see if there is any initiative against SORBS that I could participate in.  I&#8217;m currently in talks with the one and only company affected by the SORBS block against my email host.  I hope to persuade them to drop this &#8220;service.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could a volunteer non-profit Email blocking service be created that blocks SORBS itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-2/#comment-91331</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were recently added to SORBS blocklist, by some company we&#039;ve never heard of.
According to SORBS it was a manual submission, and our spam count is &quot;1&quot;.

After going through their site, it appears the easy way to get delisted is to &quot;donate&quot; to Joey McNicol Legal Defense Fund. http://t3-v-mcnicol.org/ilaw/docs/PDF_5292.pdf

This fund was setup to defend against people filing lasuits on SORBS or it&#039;s affiliates for unwarranted blacklisting of email domains.  It seems this &quot;trust&quot; which was settled for $2.00, is basically a funnel of money for SORBS and it&#039;s affiliates LAWYERS !

The more they get sued, the more money they are able to tap from this fund !

It seems like a no brainer that they would allow people to manually sumit anyone they choose, increasing the chances of more lawsuits.....it&#039;s a nice racket they got going on.

We are not on any other blocklist, and i&#039;ve found hundreds of forums where others have the same exact problem with SORBS.

I&#039;ve instructed all of our business units and partners not to use SORBS, or they will not be able to send or recieve e-mail to our company.  If I pay the $50 bucks, what&#039;s to say it won&#039;t just happen again and again and again !???

Our company has nothing to do with e-mail, and we don&#039;t do &quot;mass mailings&quot; or commercial email of any sort.

We refuse to be extorted.

If you agree that this is extortion then don&#039;t use SORBS....because it could happen to you too whether you use it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were recently added to SORBS blocklist, by some company we&#8217;ve never heard of.<br />
According to SORBS it was a manual submission, and our spam count is &#8220;1&#8243;.</p>
<p>After going through their site, it appears the easy way to get delisted is to &#8220;donate&#8221; to Joey McNicol Legal Defense Fund. <a href="http://t3-v-mcnicol.org/ilaw/docs/PDF_5292.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://t3-v-mcnicol.org/ilaw/docs/PDF_5292.pdf</a></p>
<p>This fund was setup to defend against people filing lasuits on SORBS or it&#8217;s affiliates for unwarranted blacklisting of email domains.  It seems this &#8220;trust&#8221; which was settled for $2.00, is basically a funnel of money for SORBS and it&#8217;s affiliates LAWYERS !</p>
<p>The more they get sued, the more money they are able to tap from this fund !</p>
<p>It seems like a no brainer that they would allow people to manually sumit anyone they choose, increasing the chances of more lawsuits&#8230;..it&#8217;s a nice racket they got going on.</p>
<p>We are not on any other blocklist, and i&#8217;ve found hundreds of forums where others have the same exact problem with SORBS.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve instructed all of our business units and partners not to use SORBS, or they will not be able to send or recieve e-mail to our company.  If I pay the $50 bucks, what&#8217;s to say it won&#8217;t just happen again and again and again !???</p>
<p>Our company has nothing to do with e-mail, and we don&#8217;t do &#8220;mass mailings&#8221; or commercial email of any sort.</p>
<p>We refuse to be extorted.</p>
<p>If you agree that this is extortion then don&#8217;t use SORBS&#8230;.because it could happen to you too whether you use it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-2/#comment-89536</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on problems with SORBS here:
http://www.sputcorp.com/IT/SORBS.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on problems with SORBS here:<br />
<a href="http://www.sputcorp.com/IT/SORBS.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.sputcorp.com/IT/SORBS.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sorbs fails</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-2/#comment-88994</link>
		<dc:creator>Sorbs fails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, SORBS is terrible.  They have blocked my server 3 times without any legitimate call to.

I run a very tight, and secure server.  All the sites on it are mine.

SORBS is listing my server&#039;s IP even though it has nothing to do with the the listing.  Blindly blocking a range of over 200 IP&#039;s is just plain lazy and stupid.

I&#039;ve never had a single issue with any other blocklist in 5 years.  People just need to stop using lazy lists who block ranges.  

For me, false positives are far worse than false negatives.  I&#039;d rather simply delete the occasional spam than miss important mail.  Jackasses like Matthew Sullivan needlessly ruin email deliver-ability.

Fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, SORBS is terrible.  They have blocked my server 3 times without any legitimate call to.</p>
<p>I run a very tight, and secure server.  All the sites on it are mine.</p>
<p>SORBS is listing my server&#8217;s IP even though it has nothing to do with the the listing.  Blindly blocking a range of over 200 IP&#8217;s is just plain lazy and stupid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had a single issue with any other blocklist in 5 years.  People just need to stop using lazy lists who block ranges.  </p>
<p>For me, false positives are far worse than false negatives.  I&#8217;d rather simply delete the occasional spam than miss important mail.  Jackasses like Matthew Sullivan needlessly ruin email deliver-ability.</p>
<p>Fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Garry W.</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-2/#comment-76182</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SORBS is nothing but a scam. They want you
to pay money to be delisted when they are the ones who list you in the first place. After you pay them they will just list you over and over again. No customer support and their site sucks ass. We have taken their filters off of our mail servers and I would encourage everyone to do the same. Spamhaus is much more reliable and easier to deal with and they are not a bunch of conartists like the folks at SORBS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SORBS is nothing but a scam. They want you<br />
to pay money to be delisted when they are the ones who list you in the first place. After you pay them they will just list you over and over again. No customer support and their site sucks ass. We have taken their filters off of our mail servers and I would encourage everyone to do the same. Spamhaus is much more reliable and easier to deal with and they are not a bunch of conartists like the folks at SORBS.</p>
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		<title>By: James Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-2/#comment-76113</link>
		<dc:creator>James Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something interesting - It seems Michael has been selling pirated software off an internet connection provided by a university......

Edit by Nate: Referring to these links:
Google isux ROMS:
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=isux+ROMs&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&amp;client=firefox-a
The top result is a /. comment

Google cache of ROMS directory:
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:iea-Wfc_rVgJ:vampire.isux.com/ROMs/+isux+ROMs&amp;cd=2&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=au&amp;client=firefox-a

Google cache of text used when a download is attempted:
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:GGXjxNjAiLcJ:vampire.isux.com/roms-bugger-off.txt+isux+ROMs&amp;cd=3&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=au&amp;client=firefox-a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something interesting &#8211; It seems Michael has been selling pirated software off an internet connection provided by a university&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Edit by Nate: Referring to these links:<br />
Google isux ROMS:<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?q=isux+ROMs&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&#038;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com.au/search?q=isux+ROMs&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&#038;client=firefox-a</a><br />
The top result is a /. comment</p>
<p>Google cache of ROMS directory:<br />
<a href="http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:iea-Wfc_rVgJ:vampire.isux.com/ROMs/+isux+ROMs&#038;cd=2&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=au&#038;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:iea-Wfc_rVgJ:vampire.isux.com/ROMs/+isux+ROMs&#038;cd=2&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=au&#038;client=firefox-a</a></p>
<p>Google cache of text used when a download is attempted:<br />
<a href="http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:GGXjxNjAiLcJ:vampire.isux.com/roms-bugger-off.txt+isux+ROMs&#038;cd=3&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=au&#038;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:GGXjxNjAiLcJ:vampire.isux.com/roms-bugger-off.txt+isux+ROMs&#038;cd=3&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=au&#038;client=firefox-a</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-2/#comment-76034</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to be legitimate.  With any luck, SORBS won&#039;t find hosting and will be closed down, although it seems that this is purely a financial thing on MSullivan&#039;s part. Still, where there is one there are a dozen; I&#039;ve encountered another pretty irritating blacklist lately - UCEPROTECT - so I&#039;ll just hope the same thing happens to them, but it seems like generally server admins still don&#039;t understand that DNSBLs are advisory in nature and should &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; be used as sole determinants as to whether or not a particular message is legitimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to be legitimate.  With any luck, SORBS won&#8217;t find hosting and will be closed down, although it seems that this is purely a financial thing on MSullivan&#8217;s part. Still, where there is one there are a dozen; I&#8217;ve encountered another pretty irritating blacklist lately &#8211; UCEPROTECT &#8211; so I&#8217;ll just hope the same thing happens to them, but it seems like generally server admins still don&#8217;t understand that DNSBLs are advisory in nature and should <strong>not</strong> be used as sole determinants as to whether or not a particular message is legitimate.</p>
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		<title>By: James Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.natesimpson.com/blog/archives/2004/10/07/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-2/#comment-75952</link>
		<dc:creator>James Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVERYBODY REJOICE!

SORBS IS CLOSING DOWN!

http://www.us.sorbs.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVERYBODY REJOICE!</p>
<p>SORBS IS CLOSING DOWN!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.us.sorbs.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.us.sorbs.net/</a></p>
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